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PostSubject: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:04 pm#1



     This discussion is open because I've seen people compare the story Twilight to Romeo and Juliet. What I've been hearing is that Twilight is a modern-day version of Romeo and Juliet. While I find it difficult to stomach everything that's wrong with this, I have to agree that they fit a similar genre: Romance. 

     The running gag going around, "Still a better love story than Twilight" is easily applied to Romeo and Juliet. Neither are a story of true love, so much as a story of adolescent romance. First off, neither character is clearly defined. Like in Disney movies, they simply exude that "special something" that makes the characters fall in "love at first sight". Throughout both stories, no real cohabitation is established, and thus, love never takes root. 

     The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is that the two never reveal their feelings for one another to their parents, knowing that they wouldn't approve, and are very likely to forbid them from being together. Sadly, there's no way of knowing for SURE that the parents wouldn't still support them if they made that choice, because they both commit suicide before they are held accountable for their choices. There's no way of knowing if they truly would stick together, if their parent's dissaproval will be a factor in their seperation, or if it'll be simple cohabitation that causes a wedge in their romance. 

     Romanticizing love is a foolish theme, and stories like this are MEANT to target the adolescent, not adults, because mature adults handle conflict differently. The message that the story of Romeo and Juliet intends to promote is that love can be stifled to death if not given a chance to flourish, and while it's true, the message is quite lost in the dynamics of the main characters. 

     Twilight is actually closer to a love story than Romeo and Juliet. You really cannot compare the two beyond their romance, because Romeo and Juliet ends there, and Twilight continues, for better or for worse. While the success from Twilight is largely due to the romance between Edward and Bella, the book DOES transcend simple euphoria and the two struggle with relationship problems. Real relationship problems, not "you're looking at this girl" and "are you cheating on me?" issues that usually surface during dating. In the same sense, "Still a better love story than Twilight" isn't a difficult goal to achieve, because their relationship never really had any basis to begin with, aside from physical chemistry. "You're pretty and different, this intrigues me" (for Edward, being unable to read Bella's thoughts clearly), and "Oh, you like me? Awesome, I'll dedicate my life to you, or maybe that wolf man" for Bella. If I could put my love story into a novel, it would definitely be a better guidebook on how to fall in love.


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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:01 pm#2

.....lol

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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:53 am#3

I disagree with those who call Twilight bad, I'm not saying it's GREAT, but it's not bad, not ba at all.. the love story was fine, the staff of actors and stuff might have some eww choices, but still not ... calling it bad. I don't think there's any similarities between Twilight and Rmeo-Juliet story tho xD but that might be just me...

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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:05 am#4

the only real similarity is the fact that they both made their names off the romance portion of the story, NOT the love story. No one watched Twilight to see Bella and Edward live out their lives and raise a family, they watched it to see conflict and sexual tension, as well as indecision (Edward or Jacob? Who would Bella choose?) typical for an adolescent. The difference is, Twilight DOES go further in the story because Edward and Bella survive, and work through their problems, have a child together, etc., and deal with their mortality, whereas Romeo and Juliet foolishly off themselves at the first sign of resistance from their families.

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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:20 am#5

Tom Hanks and Wilson in Cast Away was a better love story than twilight.

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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:32 pm#6

@RsS.YuGi wrote:
I disagree with those who call Twilight bad, I'm not saying it's GREAT, but it's not bad, not ba at all.. the love story was fine, the staff of actors and stuff might have some eww choices, but still not ... calling it bad. I don't think there's any similarities between Twilight and Rmeo-Juliet story tho xD but that might be just me...

I have nothing good to say about a series that supports physical, mental, as well as emotional abuse in a relationship that still passes off said abuser as a good, wonderful person that the target audience should admire even. No.

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 This discussion is open because I've seen people compare the story Twilight to Romeo and Juliet. What I've been hearing is that Twilight is a modern-day version of Romeo and Juliet. While I find it difficult to stomach everything that's wrong with this, I have to agree that they fit a similar genre: Romance. 

The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is that the two never reveal their feelings for one another to their parents, knowing that they wouldn't approve, and are very likely to forbid them from being together. Sadly, there's no way of knowing for SURE that the parents wouldn't still support them if they made that choice, because they both commit suicide before they are held accountable for their choices. There's no way of knowing if they truly would stick together, if their parent's dissaproval will be a factor in their seperation, or if it'll be simple cohabitation that causes a wedge in their romance. 

I also have to disagree here. Romeo and Juliet isn't a love story. Romeo and Juliet (while I could argue it is a plagiarism, I won't) was written as an antithesis. The idea of love at first sight, the general misconception that people fall in love immediately after meeting. This is a concept that was popular for centuries. From ancient Greek playwrights to the recent Transformers movies; romance is often misrepresented in this fashion. Romeo and Juliet, however, shows the idea of youth, rather than something to be taken seriously. Teenagers are often so emotionally overclocked that they will, in their own minds, fall in love several times. Romeo and Juliet takes a stab at both disrupting what was popular at the time, as well as expanding on the idea of "young love". It's almost a parody (taking an idea of a concept, and going off the wall for satire purposes), though it might take itself a little too seriously for that, especially since modern adaptations are allowed to have a female play a female on stage. The earlier productions would be all-male due to how things were, which I am sure more often than not led to some really amusing moments. Especially with the ending, I wouldn't classify it as a comedy, rather as an antithesis as I've stated above.

Twilight on the other hand takes a different step, in the wrong direction. It's an understanding that the basic premise came from a dream, and you can really tell. It's the standard story of girl loves mysterious and deep boy, only with some supernatural elements. It's more refined than smut, but it really doesn't try to be anything more than such. It's another romance novel that just so happened to become popular, again, for all of the wrong reasons. The book itself is a fantastic study, even if the only risque thing about it is sparkling, fangless vampires. The series itself is pretty broad, and introduces interesting elements, while also ruining any chance of positive inspiration that it could be for the young target audience. Besides abuse, general stupidity, and immoral choices made by many of the characters, the dependence is a very bad idea to try and give to the youth. Bella goes from being some new kid who seems somewhat independent to physically and emotionally needing another for mere sanity. If the book had any subtlety I would say this would make it similar to Romeo and Juliet on a deeper level, but the case of Twilight is very tragic in that it isn't trying to do that. It isn't clever, and it is a borderline smut.


Thankfully, most of the people who liked the books upon release have been able to broaden their horizons and see through the farce. Making Bella a blank slate that the young girls could pretend is herself inserted into the story is a clever premise that comic books had been doing for many decades, but in this sense there's no righteousness, there is nothing worth taking out of the series at all. The movies are far from the stupidity of Sharnado, Garbage Pail Kids, Troll 2, or anything of that like. The similarities between it and Romeo and Juliet are very bare minimum, even if it is likely based in part off it. It's not nearly blatant a rip off as Hunger Games is of Battle Royale.

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PostSubject: Re: Romeo and Juliet: Old-school Twilight Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:47 pm#7

I never said that Romeo and Juliet was a love story, it's not. It's a romantic tragedy. Twilight IS a love story, albeit not a very good one, nor very focused on the love aspect. It's basically a trashy romance novel that goes further into the dynamic of a relationship than a romance novel really does.

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